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= Cross-Cut: Simulations for Measurement Requirements =
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[https://cmb-s4.org/wiki/index.php/UCSD-2019:_Cross-Cut:_Simulations_for_Measurement_Requirements Link to wiki]
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== Agenda and notes ==
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* 5 min - Andrea Zonca: PySM 3, simulation tools developed for Simons Observatory
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* 5 min - Marcelo Alvarez: Extragalactic modeling integration in PySM 3, Simulations requirements for cluster finding
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* 5 min - Reijo Keskitalo: Scanning strategy for S4
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* 5 min - Ben Racine: Noise simulations for PGW analysis
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* 25 min - Discussion:
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=== Unified sky model ===
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==== Galactic ====
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* PySM (<code>so_pysm_models</code>) NSIDE 8192 Planck + Gaussian
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* MHD: Dust + Synch small patches
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* d7 - implement in PySM 3 and increase resolution
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* Currently used model up until DSR by the r-forecasting group: ** 00 - Simple Gaussian Sync/Dust with uniform amplitude across the sky ** 01 - PySM base (@zonca has higher nside than 512, to 4096? will get to 8192) ** 02 - PySM extended (@zonca has higher nside than 512, to 4096? will get to 8192) ** 03 - Same as 02 but Hensley/Draine dust model ** 04 - HiDPol dust model (by Tuhin Ghosh) ** 05 - Strong decorrelation model ** 06 - MHD based model from Flauger/Hensley (should swap in &quot;08&quot;: one with more correct synchrotron) ** 07 - Amplitude modulated Gaussian ** 08 - MKD multilayer model from arxiv/1706.04162 ** 09 - Vansyngel model as described in arxiv/1611.02577 with multi-frequency extension
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* For delensing, we need small scale polarized non-Gaussian Galactic foregrounds. Currently, only 09 has small scale NG.
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* discuss: 00 should be replaced with 07? 00 won't be meaningfully used by the large area survey. But it is useful for the deep survey for sanity checks.
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* To generalize 08 and 09 into PySM, @zonca has to ask the creator of these models for code/info.
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* Q: are there other Galactic models used in S4 outside of the r-forecasting group?
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* Check consistency with Planck
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* CO lines?
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=== How to gather requirements from AWG ===
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=== Extragalactic + Clusters ===
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* Websky, 1 realization
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* validated against planck
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* lensing: 1 realization
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* radio galaxy sources, catalog input, PySM component could generate map on the fly
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* tSZ from Planck, CIB from Herschel and Planck, dusty galaxy count compared to Herschel, stack clusters
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=== Noise ===
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==== Scanning strategy ====
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* https://cmb-s4.org/wiki/index.php/Deeper_SAT_from_Chile_II
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* https://cmb-s4.org/wiki/index.php/High_cadence_LAT_from_Chile
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High cadence LAT gives lot of f_sky and daily scans for transients
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* https://cmb-s4.org/wiki/index.php/Deep_SAT_from_the_Pole
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Below only done in case of r detection from Deep SAT:
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* https://cmb-s4.org/wiki/index.php/Wider_SAT_from_the_Pole_II
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Jan &amp; Feb we could remove
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Clem has already noise pipeline
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Delensing LAT from Pole??
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==== Noise simulations for PWG ====
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* SAT BK start from data, fit noise model, just scaling NET, Pole
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* BK noise calculator does not agree with data
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* Noise calculator is just used for LAT
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* Extrapolating 220 to 270, same below
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* Check POLARBEAR new released performance, use that to scale?
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Delensing '''LAT''' at Pole needs a noise model, maybe scaling SPT??

Revision as of 12:58, 19 October 2019

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Charge

  • How do we coordinate the production of a unified sky model with enough realism and flexibility for the AWGs?
  • What simulations do we need for clusters and what cross-checks will be available with data?

Agenda

Please add your name below the agenda if you plan to participate in the session, contact User:Zonca

  • 5 min - Andrea Zonca: PySM 3, simulation tools developed for Simons Observatory
  • 5 min - Marcelo Alvarez: Extragalactic modeling integration in PySM 3, Simulations requirements for cluster finding File:Exgal sims.pdf
  • 5 min - Reijo Keskitalo: Scanning strategy for S4 Chile deep Chile wide Pole deep Pole wide
  • 5 min - Ben Racine: Noise simulations for PGW analysis Sims for PGW
  • 30 min - Discussion:
    • Unified sky model
    • How to gather requirements from AWG
    • Clusters
    • Plans for map-based simulations

Other participants: Raphael Flauger, Kimmy Wu

Remote attendance

Zoom link

Notes

Collaborative note taking on hackMD

Cross-Cut: Simulations for Measurement Requirements

Link to wiki

Agenda and notes

  • 5 min - Andrea Zonca: PySM 3, simulation tools developed for Simons Observatory
  • 5 min - Marcelo Alvarez: Extragalactic modeling integration in PySM 3, Simulations requirements for cluster finding
  • 5 min - Reijo Keskitalo: Scanning strategy for S4
  • 5 min - Ben Racine: Noise simulations for PGW analysis
  • 25 min - Discussion:

Unified sky model

Galactic

  • PySM (so_pysm_models) NSIDE 8192 Planck + Gaussian
  • MHD: Dust + Synch small patches
  • d7 - implement in PySM 3 and increase resolution
  • Currently used model up until DSR by the r-forecasting group: ** 00 - Simple Gaussian Sync/Dust with uniform amplitude across the sky ** 01 - PySM base (@zonca has higher nside than 512, to 4096? will get to 8192) ** 02 - PySM extended (@zonca has higher nside than 512, to 4096? will get to 8192) ** 03 - Same as 02 but Hensley/Draine dust model ** 04 - HiDPol dust model (by Tuhin Ghosh) ** 05 - Strong decorrelation model ** 06 - MHD based model from Flauger/Hensley (should swap in "08": one with more correct synchrotron) ** 07 - Amplitude modulated Gaussian ** 08 - MKD multilayer model from arxiv/1706.04162 ** 09 - Vansyngel model as described in arxiv/1611.02577 with multi-frequency extension
  • For delensing, we need small scale polarized non-Gaussian Galactic foregrounds. Currently, only 09 has small scale NG.
  • discuss: 00 should be replaced with 07? 00 won't be meaningfully used by the large area survey. But it is useful for the deep survey for sanity checks.
  • To generalize 08 and 09 into PySM, @zonca has to ask the creator of these models for code/info.
  • Q: are there other Galactic models used in S4 outside of the r-forecasting group?
  • Check consistency with Planck
  • CO lines?

How to gather requirements from AWG

Extragalactic + Clusters

  • Websky, 1 realization
  • validated against planck
  • lensing: 1 realization
  • radio galaxy sources, catalog input, PySM component could generate map on the fly
  • tSZ from Planck, CIB from Herschel and Planck, dusty galaxy count compared to Herschel, stack clusters

Noise

Scanning strategy

High cadence LAT gives lot of f_sky and daily scans for transients

Below only done in case of r detection from Deep SAT:

Jan & Feb we could remove

Clem has already noise pipeline

Delensing LAT from Pole??

Noise simulations for PWG

  • SAT BK start from data, fit noise model, just scaling NET, Pole
  • BK noise calculator does not agree with data
  • Noise calculator is just used for LAT
  • Extrapolating 220 to 270, same below
  • Check POLARBEAR new released performance, use that to scale?

Delensing LAT at Pole needs a noise model, maybe scaling SPT??